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By: Rob Turner

'Community', undoubtedly the singularly most important aspect of my work!

 

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Art comes first.and talking about what you've done came 2nd. Clearing up the mess came 3rd and 4th was justifying why you've spent public money to make that mess.

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Art comes first.and talking about what you've done came 2nd. Clearing up the mess came 3rd and 4th was justifying why you've spent public money to make that mess.

'sun', felt pen.  Hello Christine. I have to admit this is a mess I made a couple of years ago now. Great photo though. I was asked to make a mosaic with pre-school children. They could not put their own shoes on, or pull their trousers up yet, so I figured they had'nt aquired the motor skills required for mosaic making yet.So instead we designed and drew  'Suns' for a painted mural.

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'sun', felt pen.  Hello Christine. I have to admit this is a mess I made a couple of years ago now. Great photo though. I was asked to make a mosaic with pre-school children. They could not put their own shoes on, or pull their trousers up yet, so I figured they had'nt aquired the motor skills required for mosaic making yet.So instead we designed and drew  'Suns' for a painted mural.

# 1 [6 October 2009]

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looks like fun, I'll be reading with interest! chris. xx

posted on 2009-10-06 by Christine Gray

# 2 [9 October 2009]

'Belonging'

I think everyone probably wants to belong to a group of some kind. No one really wants to be an 'outsider'.

Some kind of group identity or community:

A book clubs, residents associations, cricket teams, mothers and todlers, gangs, Star Trek, even online artist forum such as this. All communities of some kind, with shared experiences. Everyone wants to belong and be part of some kind of group.

Is this what Identity means?

As an artist I have been constantly asked to foster identity, represent, give a voice to and strengthen communities.

Why?

A role I was reluctant to accept at first, having trained as an abstract painter I didnt think it should be artists who had to wallpaper over the cracks in society.

Now I see it as adding to the social fabric of our society. Something all art forms have always done anyway.  

I was the outsider, so I climbed down from the ivory tower I had started to build and met people.

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Thats too complicated.

posted on 2010-06-27 by Rob Turner

Thats too complicated.

posted on 2010-06-27 by Rob Turner

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posted on 2010-06-27 by Rob Turner

Certainly identity is found in the mirror, that is, the view of ourselves, the view of others and the view of ourselves in relation to others. And perhaps for most of us that is all it takes to find our own identity, but is there somewhere else to find identity when the mirror is missing or distorted?

posted on 2010-06-27 by Jane Boyer

'Drawing 7b.'. The old St. Helens Hospital before demolition. This is how the old hospital will be depicted.

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'Drawing 7b.'. The old St. Helens Hospital before demolition. This is how the old hospital will be depicted.

'St. Helens Ward Names Mosaic '.  Drawing no.8This will be an entrance feature on the approach to the new hospital entrance

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'St. Helens Ward Names Mosaic '.  Drawing no.8This will be an entrance feature on the approach to the new hospital entrance

# 3 [11 October 2009]

St. Helens Hospital. Ward Names Mosaic.

I did not know wether to put this post in community or history? So I put it in community because: This project seems to have ended up depicting the history of a community.

The NHS Trust at St. Helens Hospital have gone to great lengths to represent the community they serve in this project.

I did not have to run workshops or carry out consulations with users of the NHS Services in St.Helens as the Trust acted on their behalf. It saved me several research trips up there, but this was replaced by having to do eight drawings before the commitee was happy with the content and subject for the work.  Working with a commitee gives a different end result compared to working with the public. I think the commissioner may feel they have more control.  

I am pleased they are pleased if you see what I mean.

The content for this work has become alot more specific than I originally planned, due to design revisions. The result of this, is it has become probably the most intricate mosaic I have made. I asked for a 2 month  extension on the time schedule, which has been granted.

My last mosaic was a challenge due its large scale. This will be a challenge due to its small scale. (not that it is small, the increase of detail without an increase in size is the challange).

'artists assistant.'. 'What: I finished it for you ages ago, I thought you had gone off to open those chocolate hob nobs'?

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'artists assistant.'. 'What: I finished it for you ages ago, I thought you had gone off to open those chocolate hob nobs'?

'Cartoon for the St. Helens Ward Names Mosaic.'. Cartoon finished, all I've got to do is make it!

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'Cartoon for the St. Helens Ward Names Mosaic.'. Cartoon finished, all I've got to do is make it!

# 4 [13 October 2009]

Here is the cartoon. Not a drawing with large ears and big nose, no thats Cosmo.

In the case of mosaic the cartoon is sacrificial. This means it gets destroyed in the making process, (cartoons for frescos survive the ordeal). 

'Whitfield and Aspen Primary School.'. construction in my workshop.

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'Whitfield and Aspen Primary School.'. construction in my workshop.

40 tiles per panel.

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40 tiles per panel.

10 panels altogether

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10 panels altogether

Detail. Tele-head.Love to drive in a Jaguar.

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Detail. Tele-head.Love to drive in a Jaguar.

# 5 [17 October 2009]

I am working with a friend Jo on this. She runs this Community Arts outfit called Animate. I have worked with her on several occasions before, and her projects are very community focused.

I have to put this together. There are 400 tiles. Each one done by a primary school pupil and a few dinner ladies and teachers etc.

The whole thing will form a frieze and I will be installing it on Monday.

You know those old school photos of the whole school. The ones where there are five rows of students all pozing formally, the oldest year standing on benches at the back and the youngest ones kneeling down to form the front row. A record of the whole school community.

This kind of reminds me of that. It is actually a celebraion of the year 2008, as this was when their new school was built.

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Hi is that Whitfield as in Dover? Clare

posted on 2009-10-18 by Clare Smith

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Fired ceramic tiles. Did any one visit Dover Castle on a school trip?Whitfield Primary School.  

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Fired ceramic tiles. Did any one visit Dover Castle on a school trip?Whitfield Primary School.  

# 6 [20 October 2009]

110 v  Hammer Action

The installation of the panels went very well. The pupils were very excited and the commonest remark during the whole day was 'there's mine'. Even the head teacher said it 3 times.

Its a very nice school and they are proud of what they did. Teachers and their assistants, dinner ladies, caretakers not to mention pupils have been loitering,  looking, pointing and gigeling all day, (in a very polite way I have to say).

I would formally like to appolagise again to the class on the otherside of the wall who had to put up with over 60 holes made by:

110v

705w

Hammer action

for alot of their day.

and thanks to Jo as well for the whole thing. (My invoice will be in the post by Friday by the way). 

 

'St. Helens Ward Names Mosaic.', ceramic mosaic . Every time is tea time, as my old friend Bill ladhani used to say.

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'St. Helens Ward Names Mosaic.', ceramic mosaic . Every time is tea time, as my old friend Bill ladhani used to say.

'St. Helens Ward Names Mosaic.'. Just before the first cut. Thinking to myself that its gonna look good.

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'St. Helens Ward Names Mosaic.'. Just before the first cut. Thinking to myself that its gonna look good.

'St. Helens Ward names Mosaic.', ceramic mosaic.. The first cut. Cutting these sections off I realised I was approximatley half way, which was a pleasant surprise. Used to doing bigger mosaics. This one is moving faster than I thought.

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'St. Helens Ward names Mosaic.', ceramic mosaic.. The first cut. Cutting these sections off I realised I was approximatley half way, which was a pleasant surprise. Used to doing bigger mosaics. This one is moving faster than I thought.

'St. Helens Ward Names Mosaic.', creamic mosaic.. That's right it's Kempton Park race course, with the St. Helens rugby ground just below it. Then the long building below that is the old hospital building before it was knocked down.  This mosaic is really about the old hospital and the community it served for over a 100 years.

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'St. Helens Ward Names Mosaic.', creamic mosaic.. That's right it's Kempton Park race course, with the St. Helens rugby ground just below it. Then the long building below that is the old hospital building before it was knocked down.  This mosaic is really about the old hospital and the community it served for over a 100 years.

# 7 [2 December 2009]

Living in a world of my own. 

I would like to show you how my mosaic for St, Helens Hospital is moving along, its going very nicely indeed. There is something amazing about making little micro worlds. I like doing the doors and windows as they almost take you inside the picture into a land like the one in 'Night at the museum' where everything becomes alive.

It's an imaginary landscape which does become populated, a kind of make believe community (in my mind anyway) it helps pass the hours cracking rocks. I am actually looking forward to making the minning community which has the 'Dream' at the centre. Its not often I can remember looking forward to doing mosaics. Its those masive mothers they sap you, break you down mentally.

This one is a smallish medium sized one. It will also be broken up by other projects. I have three schools projects: a little one, a middle sized one and a big one.

 

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Annie thank you for your kind words, I will of course show images as things progress and finalise. Its funny as I did not submit an application for an exterior work (which is what this will be). It was explained to me that they wanted my work, but not in the place I was proposing, or the commission I was applying for? So the content of this mosaic is the result of a lot of consultation with the trust and will be an entrance feature on the approach to the main front doors.

posted on 2009-12-14 by Rob Turner

hey Rob, how lovely to see this. I applied for this commission! Didn't realise it was the same one until I had got further down your blog. Well of course I am jealous, but it looks fantastic! Congratulations, I'm sure they will be very happy with it. I'd love to see images of it when it is completely finished and hope you will post some.

posted on 2009-12-13 by Annie Harrison

'Folkstone Lees'. A school trip to well designed pubilc gardens, as part our research for designing our own school garden.

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'Folkstone Lees'. A school trip to well designed pubilc gardens, as part our research for designing our own school garden.

# 8 [10 December 2009]

The school Trip.

My big school project, finds me on a school trip to visit one of my previous school garden projects, and then onto another location to see how  public space is layed out, how the landscape designers have incorperated planting, paving and other features like sculpture or street furniture into a public setting. Seating and provision for eating may be particularly relevent to us on our school project.

This is the 'transition group' which have particular educational needs. I dont know how much free reign they will take, or how much they are allowed?

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Aspbergers, ADHD, other behaviour and language issues abound, a little short of mayhem in parts, but actually a great day out. When a pupil comes up and says 'I want to ask my mum to bring me here at the weekend', and another says 'I would like to come on holiday here'. You feel like you made a good choice of venue for a school trip. Our long term task, to design and build a garden for a brand new school building not yet constructed. In fact our garden will be built and finished on the site before anything else. This is part of the building schools for the future programe. Our next school trip Kew Gardens. Our next task; Site survey.

peeling the paper off.

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peeling the paper off.

still peeling the paper off

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still peeling the paper off

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'Rob Turner', ceramic mosaic.. The school logo 2m x2.5m ready to permanently dislay in an exterior location, which is able to withstand frost, rain and scortching temperatures. Made with about about 26 selected students from years 8-9.

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'Rob Turner', ceramic mosaic.. The school logo 2m x2.5m ready to permanently dislay in an exterior location, which is able to withstand frost, rain and scortching temperatures. Made with about about 26 selected students from years 8-9.

# 9 [11 December 2009]

My Small School Project.

This is finished now. A school with special arts status asked me to work with them to contruct a mosaic.

To cut a long storey short, it was very intense, ofstead praised it, the students enjoyed it, the loutish 6th formers said it was amazing, the deputy head was very impressed.

Writen comments from the pupils;

'It was a brilliant two day workshop'

'we learned about materials and tools'

'Really fun couple of days, loved every second of it'.

'I loved it yesterday and today it was so fun. The best part was having my friends around and working as a team'.

'The best thing was seeing the end product'

'We thought it was going really badly, but it turned out really well in the end'.

'Rob has the best job ever'

 

rob turner, 'the grass is greener on the other side.', mdf and sunlight. A cut out MDF face of a cross green man. The sun has left his shadow on the green grass.

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rob turner, 'the grass is greener on the other side.', mdf and sunlight. A cut out MDF face of a cross green man. The sun has left his shadow on the green grass.

# 10 [14 December 2009]

'The Grass is Always Greener on the Other Side'.

The final piece of feed back on my last post is rather idealistic, the reality is a little more complex than that. I do have the best job ever, but like most jobs it has parts less glamourus that get passed over unseen.

That particular job had me forking out well over £300 for materials from my own money just before xmas. Invoice and reimbursement totals are posted, but payment next year probably. Now I am fortunate in that I have saved enough capital to cover these things, but that is not the point,  the client does not know that and should they expect the artist to cover such costs? If I were a builder carrying out a small job, or a plummer I would undoubtedly be treated in the same way.

Anyway, I do have a fantastic job, but moaning is something we all  do from time to time. Its lonley in the workshop day after day and often things occupy the mind in an unhealthy way. I envy people who have their workshops and studios in a complex with other artists in the same building, this must have an atmoshere like the one I remember at collage. My situation is lonely, but I dont have a lease or rental payments as I work from home. So; the grass is always greener on the other side.

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David if I have learnt anything from 'walking with Cosmo' that is never stop searching and looking. It is new experiences and ideas we have not encountered before which move us on, (as artists) I mean. It is essential, but often we can not see. In my own case, lazyness may be the reason I do not search as hard as my loyal companion, who embrasses the world with gusto every single time he goes out. Happy Xmas Dave.

posted on 2009-12-22 by Rob Turner

Rob, Your reference to Agnes Martin opened my eyes rather. She was not someone of whom I was particularly aware, much to my present embarrassment. The interview portrays someone who was beautifully at ease with herself and her work. It’s a delight and a lesson.

posted on 2009-12-21 by David Minton

Hi David, No, but I have now. I dont know if you relate to what she says? But when I used to be a painter I liked her work about fields, meadows etc. She now says she has 'gone beyond nature' and her mind is totally empty and she only paints the pure inspiration itself. Thats pretty Zen dude............what she says about 'having 50 ideas before the artist even manages to produce anything' and by then the original inspiration is lost..... this is very true. I wish I could just do stuff and not get convoluted and twisted up with theoretical justifications. Reflect later. I have recently looked over a body of work (photos) that I did 3-4 years ago and I like them now. At the time I was very insecure about them. With hindsight I wish I had worked harder in that phase of my life.

posted on 2009-12-18 by Rob Turner

Rob, Thank you for your comment and reference to Agnes Martin. Have you seen the Chuck Smith interview with her, on http://www.vimeo.com/7127385 ?

posted on 2009-12-17 by David Minton

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