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By: Rob Turner

'Community', undoubtedly the singularly most important aspect of my work!

 

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'Whitfield and Aspen Primary School.'. construction in my workshop.

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'Whitfield and Aspen Primary School.'. construction in my workshop.

40 tiles per panel.

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40 tiles per panel.

10 panels altogether

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10 panels altogether

Detail. Tele-head.Love to drive in a Jaguar.

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Detail. Tele-head.Love to drive in a Jaguar.

# 5 [17 October 2009]

I am working with a friend Jo on this. She runs this Community Arts outfit called Animate. I have worked with her on several occasions before, and her projects are very community focused.

I have to put this together. There are 400 tiles. Each one done by a primary school pupil and a few dinner ladies and teachers etc.

The whole thing will form a frieze and I will be installing it on Monday.

You know those old school photos of the whole school. The ones where there are five rows of students all pozing formally, the oldest year standing on benches at the back and the youngest ones kneeling down to form the front row. A record of the whole school community.

This kind of reminds me of that. It is actually a celebraion of the year 2008, as this was when their new school was built.

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Hi is that Whitfield as in Dover? Clare

posted on 2009-10-18 by Clare Smith

'artists assistant.'. 'What: I finished it for you ages ago, I thought you had gone off to open those chocolate hob nobs'?

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'artists assistant.'. 'What: I finished it for you ages ago, I thought you had gone off to open those chocolate hob nobs'?

'Cartoon for the St. Helens Ward Names Mosaic.'. Cartoon finished, all I've got to do is make it!

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'Cartoon for the St. Helens Ward Names Mosaic.'. Cartoon finished, all I've got to do is make it!

# 4 [13 October 2009]

Here is the cartoon. Not a drawing with large ears and big nose, no thats Cosmo.

In the case of mosaic the cartoon is sacrificial. This means it gets destroyed in the making process, (cartoons for frescos survive the ordeal). 

'Drawing 7b.'. The old St. Helens Hospital before demolition. This is how the old hospital will be depicted.

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'Drawing 7b.'. The old St. Helens Hospital before demolition. This is how the old hospital will be depicted.

'St. Helens Ward Names Mosaic '.  Drawing no.8This will be an entrance feature on the approach to the new hospital entrance

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'St. Helens Ward Names Mosaic '.  Drawing no.8This will be an entrance feature on the approach to the new hospital entrance

# 3 [11 October 2009]

St. Helens Hospital. Ward Names Mosaic.

I did not know wether to put this post in community or history? So I put it in community because: This project seems to have ended up depicting the history of a community.

The NHS Trust at St. Helens Hospital have gone to great lengths to represent the community they serve in this project.

I did not have to run workshops or carry out consulations with users of the NHS Services in St.Helens as the Trust acted on their behalf. It saved me several research trips up there, but this was replaced by having to do eight drawings before the commitee was happy with the content and subject for the work.  Working with a commitee gives a different end result compared to working with the public. I think the commissioner may feel they have more control.  

I am pleased they are pleased if you see what I mean.

The content for this work has become alot more specific than I originally planned, due to design revisions. The result of this, is it has become probably the most intricate mosaic I have made. I asked for a 2 month  extension on the time schedule, which has been granted.

My last mosaic was a challenge due its large scale. This will be a challenge due to its small scale. (not that it is small, the increase of detail without an increase in size is the challange).

# 2 [9 October 2009]

'Belonging'

I think everyone probably wants to belong to a group of some kind. No one really wants to be an 'outsider'.

Some kind of group identity or community:

A book clubs, residents associations, cricket teams, mothers and todlers, gangs, Star Trek, even online artist forum such as this. All communities of some kind, with shared experiences. Everyone wants to belong and be part of some kind of group.

Is this what Identity means?

As an artist I have been constantly asked to foster identity, represent, give a voice to and strengthen communities.

Why?

A role I was reluctant to accept at first, having trained as an abstract painter I didnt think it should be artists who had to wallpaper over the cracks in society.

Now I see it as adding to the social fabric of our society. Something all art forms have always done anyway.  

I was the outsider, so I climbed down from the ivory tower I had started to build and met people.

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Thats too complicated.

posted on 2010-06-27 by Rob Turner

Thats too complicated.

posted on 2010-06-27 by Rob Turner

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posted on 2010-06-27 by Rob Turner

Certainly identity is found in the mirror, that is, the view of ourselves, the view of others and the view of ourselves in relation to others. And perhaps for most of us that is all it takes to find our own identity, but is there somewhere else to find identity when the mirror is missing or distorted?

posted on 2010-06-27 by Jane Boyer

Art comes first.and talking about what you've done came 2nd. Clearing up the mess came 3rd and 4th was justifying why you've spent public money to make that mess.

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Art comes first.and talking about what you've done came 2nd. Clearing up the mess came 3rd and 4th was justifying why you've spent public money to make that mess.

'sun', felt pen.  Hello Christine. I have to admit this is a mess I made a couple of years ago now. Great photo though. I was asked to make a mosaic with pre-school children. They could not put their own shoes on, or pull their trousers up yet, so I figured they had'nt aquired the motor skills required for mosaic making yet.So instead we designed and drew  'Suns' for a painted mural.

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'sun', felt pen.  Hello Christine. I have to admit this is a mess I made a couple of years ago now. Great photo though. I was asked to make a mosaic with pre-school children. They could not put their own shoes on, or pull their trousers up yet, so I figured they had'nt aquired the motor skills required for mosaic making yet.So instead we designed and drew  'Suns' for a painted mural.

# 1 [6 October 2009]

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looks like fun, I'll be reading with interest! chris. xx

posted on 2009-10-06 by Christine Gray

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